When a debate is slowly slipping out of the slot, and picks I would like to forward the poet Georg Johannesen, who was also a professor of rhetoric. In a poem, he explained such events:
"One must put the misunderstanding/early in the conversation if you wish/to get absolutely right, and at the same time take the wrong". In lørdagskommentaren Both-the editor who will judge the living and the dead, appoints Our Country's editor-in-chief (Bjørn Kristoffer Drill) me to the pietist, the secular messiah, and the religious police with the desire purges in The Norwegian church.Ropstad feel the heat from the crematorium Comment
It seems fairly overwhelming , but I take it with good humor. I have been called worse things than that, though it is the first time I become a religious fanatic. I'm just a plain atheist, not even a personal atheist.
Drill uses many words and much energy to attribute to me opinions and attitudes he himself invents. These deliberate misconceptions to lead the reader away from this debattens real core of Democracy and faith in The church and the relationship to the state.
the starting point was a leader in the Newspaper that among other things, commented on a report from the KIFO: A democracy in transition. An analysis of the kirkevalget 2019. As part of this work had KIFO had conducted a velgerundersøkelse which among other things was used to measure the democratic width and depth in the church. In this study, were members of the church are divided into three categories: personal christians, christians and non-believers.The biggest politiskandale Comment
Here the place to Drill the central misunderstanding that his entire sermon based on. It is KIFO, not the Newspaper or I, that have divided the church members into these categories. All that can his church - and mediehistorie know that it is farther from the chapel to the Dagbladet editorial board than most other places.
A central point in velgerundersøkelser is that 42 per cent of the church members even state that they are non-believers. This information attempt to both editor Drill and Consistory (in an article in the Newspaper) to go so carefully around as possible. The problem will be reduced, given the very alternative interpretations and sweeping as to side with the claims of secular pietisme. I get an ice cold pietist who condemn church members because they “don't behave like that Egeland believes they should”.To destroy the democracy Comment
I can't think of anything that is to me more distant than to claim religious fervor from other people or from some denomination. In a long series of comments I have pointed to the need for independent religious communities with full internal autonomy in matters of belief. I have defended the religious communities the right to stay with the dogmas and values that are contrary to what the majority in the community stands for. For example, when it comes to homosexuality and gender equality. I consider belief as equally important as freedom of speech.
Bjørn Kristoffer Drill think it is a rather modest problem that a very large percentage of church members are not believers. Partly agree, he is not their own definition. Perhaps the christians at the bottom, and they must not be intimidated by Egeland-police from to feel freer to call themselves christians. Partly it is not a problem that many are tied only to the church through traditions, buildings and ceremonies.the State threatens the love Comment
This ease it is difficult to understand for us who are outside the ecclesial community. That people can believe and feel a sense of belonging to the church on very different grounds, is not strange or objectionable. But even the world's spacious church, must then see the absence of faith in their own ranks as a problem? Tapping on this challenge is no call to pietisme.
the Drill will find it not problematic that only about ten percent of the members participating in the kirkevalgene. The church is not some state or municipality, but a medlemsdemokrati. As he writes: “A housing cooperative, a limited liability company or sports team is measured not on the oppmøteprosenten at the annual general meeting”. Some will say it is a strange and rather little ambitious basis for comparison. It is well yet the difference between believing in God and believing in the Fire? Or are we talking now about the Rubber-God, a figure that can be shaped as needed?
And Drill skips over a key point: Kirkevalget takes place in parallel with the political choices. This særfordelen, it is only The church who are the beneficiaries of. Nevertheless, it is only as far as the choices bikker ten percent participation. Is it really good enough?Must learn from its dark history and a Comment
This debate is not to exclude some from the church. It is about the church as institution and social actor in a new time. The church's unique position in the Constitution and when it comes to funding, based on a high membership, currently about 70 per cent of the population. At the same time, we know that a very large percentage of these members are non-believers. If they want to keep this association, is of course completely up to them. For the church it is of great economic and political importance that they are. It serves not something to camouflage this highly secular and pekuniære interest. All this should at least invoke more wonder and genuine reflection from the church and Our Country's page.
Several studies show that the non-believers now are in the majority in the Norwegian population. There is a great historical shift that is slowly changing the society's core values. Change requires an open and trustful debate between all stakeholders. Whether they call themselves - or are called - personal christians, christians or non-believers.It is absurd and disquieting Leader You can submit your article and opinion piece in Dagbladet here
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